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now that there is cable news 24/7 and a call phoney of talks, we have had the excerpt from governor romney's camp and we already had a prebuttal delivered to us from the president's camp, so it is the foreign policy offensive at a glance and before we even get the original speech. i just want to quote something the president's camp has set out fascinating. to date all mitt romney has offered is blustered platitudes. he shifted positions on every major foreign policy including intervening in libya which he was against before he was for. what i find fascinating about that, almost sounds like the attack on john kerry, the flip-flopping attack. is this something the president will be able to seize upon and try to use the same attack republicans did to democrats when john kerry was trying to become president that they can spin right back around? >> they would love to do that and the question is in the third and final presidential debate between the president and mitt romney, will the president really go on the offensive unlike the first debate? will he really go after mitt romney on some of these
now that there is cable news 24/7 and a call phoney of talks, we have had the excerpt from governor romney's camp and we already had a prebuttal delivered to us from the president's camp, so it is the foreign policy offensive at a glance and before we even get the original speech. i just want to quote something the president's camp has set out fascinating. to date all mitt romney has offered is blustered platitudes. he shifted positions on every major foreign policy including intervening in...
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so let's talk about tuesday's debate format. our candy crowley, she is going to be great, make that raddatz, we knew was going to be great. how is this going to be different? >> well, it is a town hall format, different than just the usual area, the candidates are speaking directly to the voters themselves. they're having to gauge or maybe you know, modify their answers based on the reaction, right? it is a lot tougher, it presents a lot more opportunities for mistakes. you remember, don, in 1992, president george h.w. bush looking down at his watch in a town hall format debate. it presents a little bit more opportunities to mess up. because the audience right there, you have to react to, as well as the audience at home. so it is a little bit harder to connect. >> yeah, but guess what? who do you remember? the people who are relatable, and not perfect. >> that is true, that is true. >> thank you shannon. >> i don't know if i could do it, though. >>> thank you, pressuappreciate shannon, moving on again, we'll show you the space s
so let's talk about tuesday's debate format. our candy crowley, she is going to be great, make that raddatz, we knew was going to be great. how is this going to be different? >> well, it is a town hall format, different than just the usual area, the candidates are speaking directly to the voters themselves. they're having to gauge or maybe you know, modify their answers based on the reaction, right? it is a lot tougher, it presents a lot more opportunities for mistakes. you remember, don,...
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so let me talk about polls. before we get our new one, this pew hol has had some serious affect on the conversation nationally. it shows romney surged from eight points hide in mid-september to four points ahead last week. there is some serious celebrating going on amidst republicans and certainly the romney camp, but i want you to give me your years and years of coverage and tell me about this roller coaster and with a month to go, does this seem like as big a deal as it is or are we just in a snapshot in time? >> we're in a snapshot in time. it's important, i don't want to belittle it by any means, but, remember, before the debate, there were so many folks out there simply assuming president obama had this thing done, that he was going to get re-elected. they were already planning for that. then all of a sudden he had a poor performance at the debate and that pays off. it shows how important these debates are. there's a vice presidential debate thursday night. that's going to be important, but there's also two
so let me talk about polls. before we get our new one, this pew hol has had some serious affect on the conversation nationally. it shows romney surged from eight points hide in mid-september to four points ahead last week. there is some serious celebrating going on amidst republicans and certainly the romney camp, but i want you to give me your years and years of coverage and tell me about this roller coaster and with a month to go, does this seem like as big a deal as it is or are we just in a...
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we're seeing the romney campaign talk more about foreign policy now. so we don't know what it is going to be. a youtube video, perhaps, that is being held until the last moment. it is going to be interesting to see if there is, in fact, an october surprise as there often is at the end of a campaign. >> the strategy and the spin of the october surprise. we'll be looking out for it. aaron blake, columnist for the fix, washington post. thank you. >>> speaking of libya, one question, what went wrong? what went wrong with the security and the consulate in libya? benghazi. four americans killed there last month, including u.s. ambassador chris stevens. were there warning signs that were missed? congressman jason chaffetz just returned from a fact-finding mission in libya and talks about what he saw. jack, you're a little boring. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire [ ma
we're seeing the romney campaign talk more about foreign policy now. so we don't know what it is going to be. a youtube video, perhaps, that is being held until the last moment. it is going to be interesting to see if there is, in fact, an october surprise as there often is at the end of a campaign. >> the strategy and the spin of the october surprise. we'll be looking out for it. aaron blake, columnist for the fix, washington post. thank you. >>> speaking of libya, one question,...
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i'm not letting the politicians off the hook. >> mitt romney talking about regulations as it relates to agriculture and the farming community, a message tailored to the people there in iowa. and today wolf blitzer has a live interview with mitt romney at 6:00 p.m. of course thursday the vice presidential debate, joe biden, paul ryan. cnn special live coverage starts at 7:00 p.m. eastern, 4:00 pacific. >>> former penn state assistant football coach jerry sandusky will likely spend the rest of his life in prison. a judge has sentenced him to at least 30 years in prison. sarah ganum has been covering the story from the beginning and she's with me now. you were in the courtroom today. first off, jerry sandusky has had some really most people would call them bizarre reactions, bizarre answers in interviews. how did he react today? >> reporter: he didn't react specifically to the sentence, but right before it was handed down, we saw him cry and that was when he was talking about his wife, dottie, and being separated from her. he said that he doesn't like being called a child know wles ter,
i'm not letting the politicians off the hook. >> mitt romney talking about regulations as it relates to agriculture and the farming community, a message tailored to the people there in iowa. and today wolf blitzer has a live interview with mitt romney at 6:00 p.m. of course thursday the vice presidential debate, joe biden, paul ryan. cnn special live coverage starts at 7:00 p.m. eastern, 4:00 pacific. >>> former penn state assistant football coach jerry sandusky will likely spend...
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. >>> president barack obama and mitt romney both talking money today. campaign funds, as a matter of fact. president's people announce they set a record for their campaign in september, bringing in $181 million. we will get you now to central florida. live pictures there, you're looking at. it is a mitt romney rally near orlando. romney's campaign says his performance at wednesday's debate energized donors who bumped romney's coffers more than $12 million in the past 48 hours after the debate. >>> new developments to tell you about in the deadly meningitis outbreak. the cdc says the death toll has risen to seven people now. 64 people in nine states have contracted meningitis linked to steroid injections into their spines. the plant where the contaminated steroid was made has been voluntarily shut down. >>> a north korean soldier says he killed his platoon and squad leaders before defecting to the south. south korean soldiers along the demilitarized zone heard the gun shots before the soldier crossed the heavily armed area between the countries. more tha
. >>> president barack obama and mitt romney both talking money today. campaign funds, as a matter of fact. president's people announce they set a record for their campaign in september, bringing in $181 million. we will get you now to central florida. live pictures there, you're looking at. it is a mitt romney rally near orlando. romney's campaign says his performance at wednesday's debate energized donors who bumped romney's coffers more than $12 million in the past 48 hours after...
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earlier this morning on the sunday talk shows, top obama campaign strategists went after mitt romney accusing him of making false statements. today in port st. lucie he fired about. >> you heard his answers or nonanswers. of course days later we hear his excuses, and next january we'll be watching him leave the wlous for the last time. >> reporter: next romney heads to virginia for a major foreign policy speech at the virginian military institute. after that the gop nominee will campaign in more critical battleground states like ohio and iowa. fred. >> thanks so much, jim. >>> for both presidential campaigns, this week could turn out to be as much of a roller coaster ride as last week was since jobs and the economy are what a lot of voters are worried about. i asked dana millbank of the "washington post," between the debate and new jobs numbers, which is the game-changer? >> well, if you asked it before the jobs numbers came out, fredricka, you certainly would say that this changed the fundamentals of the campaign. however, the jobs numbers very quickly erase some of that. we'll begi
earlier this morning on the sunday talk shows, top obama campaign strategists went after mitt romney accusing him of making false statements. today in port st. lucie he fired about. >> you heard his answers or nonanswers. of course days later we hear his excuses, and next january we'll be watching him leave the wlous for the last time. >> reporter: next romney heads to virginia for a major foreign policy speech at the virginian military institute. after that the gop nominee will...
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he talks about detroit. mitt romney is a car guy. let me tell you about the mitt romney i know. this is a guy two i was talking to a family in massachusetts the other day. cheryl and mark nixon. their kids were hit in a car crash, four of them, two of them, rob and reed, were paralyzed. the romneys didn't know them. they went to the same church, they never met before. mitt asked if he would come over for christmas. he brought his wife and boys and gifts and later said, i know you're struggling, mark. don't worry about their college, i'll pay for it. when mark told me this story, he said it wasn't the cash help. it's that he gave his time and he has consistently. this is a man who gave 30% of his income to charity, more than the two of us combined. mitt romney cares about 100% of americans in this country. with respect to that quote, i think the vice president knows that words sometimes don't come out of your mouth the right way. >> but i always say what i mean. and so does romney. >> we want everybody to succeed. we want to get people out of poverty. we believe in opportunity. t
he talks about detroit. mitt romney is a car guy. let me tell you about the mitt romney i know. this is a guy two i was talking to a family in massachusetts the other day. cheryl and mark nixon. their kids were hit in a car crash, four of them, two of them, rob and reed, were paralyzed. the romneys didn't know them. they went to the same church, they never met before. mitt asked if he would come over for christmas. he brought his wife and boys and gifts and later said, i know you're struggling,...
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of his congressional career and talked to a senior romney adviser and talked about expectations and guidance, a quote here, it's a new experience for hi anghiccor much more experience in the senate in the two campaigns and then the 2008 general election campaign, the face-off with sarah palin. ryan ing to focus on s substance according to this adviser. you will recall at the last debate in denver everybody talking about zingers. where are the zing efforts? when will the zingers fly? by my count, mitt romney only fired off a couple of zingers during that presidential debate with president obama and so it's possible to see maybe the same tactic tonight for paul ryan. focusing on the substance and the issues and, you know, one thing that the romney campaign i think telegraphed is that paul ryan will go after those comments of joe biden we heard earlier this month at the event in charlotte talking about the middle class being buried. i think we can expect that to come tonight and heard from the obama campaign, the obama campaign talking about this editorial board meeting with "the colum
of his congressional career and talked to a senior romney adviser and talked about expectations and guidance, a quote here, it's a new experience for hi anghiccor much more experience in the senate in the two campaigns and then the 2008 general election campaign, the face-off with sarah palin. ryan ing to focus on s substance according to this adviser. you will recall at the last debate in denver everybody talking about zingers. where are the zing efforts? when will the zingers fly? by my...
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both have spent a whole lot of time there talking with voters. here's cnn's political editor paul steinhauser. >> good morning, randi. it's all about the buckeye state today. >> we need your help. we've got to win ohio. you've got to get your friends to help us win ohio. >> reporter: that's why mitt romney is spending his second straight day in ohio, where 18 electoral votes are up for grabs. mr. obama won the state four years ago. now ohio is one of the states romney really needs to turn red again in order to make it to the white house. the republican presidential nominee holds two rallies in the state today and his running mate paul ryan also campaigns separately in the buckeye state. president obama was in ohio a few days ago. next week, bruce springsteen will team up with former president clinton to stump for obama in ohio. the race for the state is very close right now. take a look at this cnn poll, a poll that averages three surveys that were conducted entirely after the first presidential debate. it indicates the president at 50% of unlike
both have spent a whole lot of time there talking with voters. here's cnn's political editor paul steinhauser. >> good morning, randi. it's all about the buckeye state today. >> we need your help. we've got to win ohio. you've got to get your friends to help us win ohio. >> reporter: that's why mitt romney is spending his second straight day in ohio, where 18 electoral votes are up for grabs. mr. obama won the state four years ago. now ohio is one of the states romney really...
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>> let's talk about the numbers, john. mitt romney still getting post debate bounce. you can't say any more that debates don't matter. the new cnn poll, poll of polls, mitt romney has a slight lead with likely voters, 48% to 47%. his performance certainly showed that you can't say it doesn't matter anymore. there is no bigger swing state than ohio, where you are. >> reporter: the history tells you no republican has ever been elected president without winning the state of ohio. can you do the math and have romney win without this state? yes. is it likely? no. before the debate some polls had him down as many as nine points in ohio. new cnn poll row leased last night has him down four, 51-47. another group, american research group show ed romney up a point in ohio. no question. just like in the national polls, a bit of a boost. romney is up in the suburbs, up among independents. there's signs of strength here from romney, we can tell you there are a few soft spots he needs to work on. >> john king in ohio, covering the debates as well. thank you very much. watch live co
>> let's talk about the numbers, john. mitt romney still getting post debate bounce. you can't say any more that debates don't matter. the new cnn poll, poll of polls, mitt romney has a slight lead with likely voters, 48% to 47%. his performance certainly showed that you can't say it doesn't matter anymore. there is no bigger swing state than ohio, where you are. >> reporter: the history tells you no republican has ever been elected president without winning the state of ohio. can...
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one final thing, carol, on a campaign conference call yesterday romney's foreign policy team talked about some presidents of past they might be shaping their foreign policy principles after. they talked about the presidencies of jfk, truman and even bill clinton. after that first debate when a lot of pundits on the right and the left were sensing that mitt romney might be moving to the middle on domestic policy issues, there might be some of that on foreign policy when we hear this speech later on this morning. >> jim acosta, we'll check back with you. >>> okay. let's take another peek at the obama campaign's preemptive strike. remember, it's called a prebuttal because it's challenging a speech romney will not give for a couple more hours. listen. >> when our u.s. diplomats were attacked in libya, "the new york times" said romney's knee-jerk response showed an extraordinary lack of presidential character. even republican experts said romney's remarks were the worst possible reaction to what happened. if this is how he handles the world now, just think what mitt romney might do as presiden
one final thing, carol, on a campaign conference call yesterday romney's foreign policy team talked about some presidents of past they might be shaping their foreign policy principles after. they talked about the presidencies of jfk, truman and even bill clinton. after that first debate when a lot of pundits on the right and the left were sensing that mitt romney might be moving to the middle on domestic policy issues, there might be some of that on foreign policy when we hear this speech later...
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romney spoke as we mentioned, focused on the middle east, talked egypt. the u.s. pulled the plug on our ally, hosni mubarak, he's gone. egypt's post mubarak president is a member of the militant muslim brotherhood. here is what mitt romney said about egypt today. >> egypt, i'll use our influence including clear conditions on our aid to urge the new government to represent all egyptians, to build democratic institutions, and to maintain its peace treaty with israel. and we must persuade our friends and allies to play similar stipulations on their aid. >> so he mentions the aid, continued aid we give egypt a lot of money, the second highest recipient of u.s. foreign aid. but he mentioned conditions, talking to egyptians. is that realistic? >> you can pose conditions. the problem is getting people to fulfill the conditions and then pulling the trigger if they don't fill the conditions. if it all fell apart, and i spoke to people in the u.s. government in egypt, who did worry that egypt could drift in the direction of pakistan, their view is the way to make that happe
romney spoke as we mentioned, focused on the middle east, talked egypt. the u.s. pulled the plug on our ally, hosni mubarak, he's gone. egypt's post mubarak president is a member of the militant muslim brotherhood. here is what mitt romney said about egypt today. >> egypt, i'll use our influence including clear conditions on our aid to urge the new government to represent all egyptians, to build democratic institutions, and to maintain its peace treaty with israel. and we must persuade...
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we talk middle east, we talk syria specifically and that's one of the topics that mitt romney touched on today when he was speaking at the virginia military institute. take a listen. >> in syria, i work with our partners to identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values. and then ensure that they obtain the arms they need to defeat assad's tanks and helicopters and fighter jets. iran is sending arms to assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic defeat for him. we should be working no less vigorously through our international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran, whether sitting on the sidelines. it is essential that we develop influence with those forces in syria that will one day lead a country that sits at the heart of the middle east. >> mitt romney is saying, arm the rebels. again, the question being how well do we know them, how do we know which rebels we should be arming, that's the question for you. >> the wording there is interesting. he's not saying i believe the united states should arm the rebe
we talk middle east, we talk syria specifically and that's one of the topics that mitt romney touched on today when he was speaking at the virginia military institute. take a listen. >> in syria, i work with our partners to identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values. and then ensure that they obtain the arms they need to defeat assad's tanks and helicopters and fighter jets. iran is sending arms to assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic...
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. >> peter hamby, the new yorker having fun, showing romney talking to an empty chair, trying to symbolize that the president wasn't completely present in that wednesday debate. thanks so much. peter hamby in washington. >> the drop in the unemployment rate is a big headline from the jobs report, but is that what we should be focusing on right now? cnn's chief business correspondent ali velshi weighing in. >> fred, so there are a couple things at play here. first, the unemployment rate, the drop from 8.1% to 7.8%. throw it out, erase it from your head. it doesn't matter. the thing you need to concentrate is the number of jobs that were actually created. 113,000. that's right around where we thought it would be. it's not an inspiring number. it doesn't say that things are bad. it doesn't say that things are good. what you want to be measuring is whether or not over time we are creating jobs. we're adding jobs to the u.s. economic landscape. the unemployment rate measures something different. that's a set of phone calls that go to people's houses to find out whether they're employed, whether
. >> peter hamby, the new yorker having fun, showing romney talking to an empty chair, trying to symbolize that the president wasn't completely present in that wednesday debate. thanks so much. peter hamby in washington. >> the drop in the unemployment rate is a big headline from the jobs report, but is that what we should be focusing on right now? cnn's chief business correspondent ali velshi weighing in. >> fred, so there are a couple things at play here. first, the...
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we're focussing on mitt romney's changing stance on abortion. plus, the wives are more popular than their husbands. could they help sway voters? we're talking about a sfoer out of florida where a parking garage has collapsed trapping several people. rescue crews are on the scene in florida. we don't know exactly how many people are trapped, but one person has been taken to the hospital. a spokeswoman for miami dade fire and rescue says the parking garage was under construction when it collapsed. they're calling it a pancake collapse because the floors fell on one another from top to bottom. we'll, of course, update you as we get more information there in florida. our affiliates there helping us out. >>> now to a huge affirmative action case. it's a student that claims she was denied admission to the university of text technical because she is white. that student abigail noel fisher, that's her right there, sued the school after being rejected in 2008. fisher says u.t.'s admissions policy unfairly favors minority students. the school says it only
we're focussing on mitt romney's changing stance on abortion. plus, the wives are more popular than their husbands. could they help sway voters? we're talking about a sfoer out of florida where a parking garage has collapsed trapping several people. rescue crews are on the scene in florida. we don't know exactly how many people are trapped, but one person has been taken to the hospital. a spokeswoman for miami dade fire and rescue says the parking garage was under construction when it...
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let's talk about the polls. but is it even worth talking about the polls? so you have heard all about the latest pew poll and it has a huge post debate bump for romney. there are two different polls new this morning that show romney is actually losing momentum. so what's the obama campaign going to do about it? unleash big bird. >> bernie madoff, ken lay, criminals, gluttons of greed and the evil genius who towered over them, one man has the guts to speak his name. >> big bird. big bird, big bird. >> it's me, big bird. >> big, yellow, a menace to our economy. mitt romney knows it's not wall streth you have to worry about, it's sesame street. >> i'm going to stop this subsidy top bs. >> mitt romney, taking on our enemies no matter where they nest. >> there you have it. so let's talk about everything. jason johnson is a political science professor at hiram college in ohio. john avlon is an independent and cnn contributor and he does many, many more things, too. welcome to you both. >> good morning. >> okay. >> good to see you, carol. >> so president obama is
let's talk about the polls. but is it even worth talking about the polls? so you have heard all about the latest pew poll and it has a huge post debate bump for romney. there are two different polls new this morning that show romney is actually losing momentum. so what's the obama campaign going to do about it? unleash big bird. >> bernie madoff, ken lay, criminals, gluttons of greed and the evil genius who towered over them, one man has the guts to speak his name. >> big bird. big...
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can you discern what romney was talking about when he said biden contradicted that sworn testimony? >> well, i would say number one that is probably a reference to eric nordstrom, who was the regional security officer, that means he works for the state department. the diplomatic security side of that. and he -- in sworn testimony he did say that he had asked for more security assistance, more personnel, and that he was refuse refused. you have to get into the subchapters on this. there were requests he made that were verbal. there were requests that were not necessarily formal bureaucratic stamped type of things. so i think we have to really get down into the weeds to say was it a formal request that was turned down, was it a less formal, verbal one et cetera. on the other side, that we that you were talking about, what he's saying is, look, this is handled, the personnel issues are handled by the state department. that type of detail doesn't come to us here at the white house. at least that's what the white house is saying. >> two things going on there. let me throw another layer o
can you discern what romney was talking about when he said biden contradicted that sworn testimony? >> well, i would say number one that is probably a reference to eric nordstrom, who was the regional security officer, that means he works for the state department. the diplomatic security side of that. and he -- in sworn testimony he did say that he had asked for more security assistance, more personnel, and that he was refuse refused. you have to get into the subchapters on this. there...
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. >> let's talk a little bit, wolf, about what the voters are looking for, because you have a romney campaign criticizing the obama administration strategy or this doctrine that the obama administration called leading from behind. specifically libya when the white house in a calculated let france and britain take lead in establishing this no-fly zone, and the u.s. played assist. romney is calling that leading from behind as following. very different than what we saw from president bush with his own preemptive first strike doctrine forging the war in iraq and using it as justification for his war on terror. what do you think american voters are more comfortable with? do you think that it is the bush preemptive approach that resonates with voters, or is it really more about what president obama is trying to do? >> there's clearly no great desire on the part of the american public to get involved in wars. once again, as was the case with iraq, for example. it's completely militarily, even though, as you and i know, the situation in iraq is deteriorating, and romney makes some valid poin
. >> let's talk a little bit, wolf, about what the voters are looking for, because you have a romney campaign criticizing the obama administration strategy or this doctrine that the obama administration called leading from behind. specifically libya when the white house in a calculated let france and britain take lead in establishing this no-fly zone, and the u.s. played assist. romney is calling that leading from behind as following. very different than what we saw from president bush...
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a lot to talk about. two passionate guys representing the two ends of america's political, ideological spectrum. however, romney and obama lead the ticket. that's who people vote for on election day. >> passion and zingers and sound bites aside, in a 24/7 news cycle and only a couple days away from a very important presidential debate. how much sticking power will tonight have? >> a great question. one of the thingses that happens out of debates. what moments get replayed and replayed and replayed, not only on television but bounced around the internet, facebook, twitter. one or two of those without a doubt. the vice president's candidates, you'll hear the word middle class a lot tonight. have vice president biden try to bring the zest and energy that the president didn't bring to the first presidential debate. but again these are the number twos. not saying it's not important, but tuesday our candy crowley hosts the next big event. romney/obama presidential debate round two. this debate is on a thursday
a lot to talk about. two passionate guys representing the two ends of america's political, ideological spectrum. however, romney and obama lead the ticket. that's who people vote for on election day. >> passion and zingers and sound bites aside, in a 24/7 news cycle and only a couple days away from a very important presidential debate. how much sticking power will tonight have? >> a great question. one of the thingses that happens out of debates. what moments get replayed and...
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as he is introducing himself to americans, he has to, you know, talk about the romney campaign and their program and their issues without sounding too much like a policy wonk because he does have a tendency to do that tonight. he has done a good job of that so far on the xaen trail, but, suzanne, this is a much, much bigger audience tonight. >> we'll see if he brings out the white board like he usually does in congress. talk about social security. could be a big issue. how would biden use that to his advantage here, paul? >> well, i'm going to actually let peter jump in on that one because you wrote about that one, dent you? >> no, sure. either one of us. yeah, president obama, you know, really frustrated a lot of democrats last week on the debate when he said surprisingly that there's no difference between himself and governor romney on social security. a lot of democrats said this took the issue off the table. this is an issue that democrats have used as a cogile saying they want to privatize social security. guess what, in past budgets paul ryan has suggested using private accounts to
as he is introducing himself to americans, he has to, you know, talk about the romney campaign and their program and their issues without sounding too much like a policy wonk because he does have a tendency to do that tonight. he has done a good job of that so far on the xaen trail, but, suzanne, this is a much, much bigger audience tonight. >> we'll see if he brings out the white board like he usually does in congress. talk about social security. could be a big issue. how would biden use...
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mitt romney, if you listen carefully to what he said, he talks about legislation. well, that's very different as you and i know, brooke, from supporting nominees to the supreme court who would outlaw abortion, who would overturn roe v. wade. that's very different than supporting legislation that would try to do that in congress. and so i think that might be the distinction there that mitt romney is going for. as you mentioned, a few moments ago, he has evolved on this issue over the years and romney has not shied away from that. he admitted back in 2004 that when he was governor of massachusetts that he had had a conversion on this issue. it was when he was basically told about what happened to embryos during stem cell research, that is when he says he had an epiphany on the issue of life and from then on forward he has been pretty staunchly anti-abortion. >> so, let me jump in, because you any, you say distinction, we could call it knnuance, that th nuance on this abortion issue is cropping up as the president and his supporters are accusing romney of flip-floppin
mitt romney, if you listen carefully to what he said, he talks about legislation. well, that's very different as you and i know, brooke, from supporting nominees to the supreme court who would outlaw abortion, who would overturn roe v. wade. that's very different than supporting legislation that would try to do that in congress. and so i think that might be the distinction there that mitt romney is going for. as you mentioned, a few moments ago, he has evolved on this issue over the years and...